How the hell did we get on to this? Oh well, here goes.
What does love mean to me? Just wanting to be with someone, I guess, paring it down to its simplest form. Forget the guff about caring more for their happiness than your own – that’s hopelessly unrealistic, obviously. Forget sex, which is a completely different can of worms (though it might be nice…) Several people have told me communication is important. I suppose it would be great to have someone who would listen to your thoughts, ideas and dreams, someone you could share them with, but I realised long, long ago that wasn’t an option in this marriage – which may be why I’ve started writing them instead (much less threatening and easier to handle than actually speaking to anybody).
I used to know a man who had several affairs, although never with me (at one time I wished he would). We went away together to a conference in the States – his first time over there, but not for me, as I’d lived there for four years. Everything which I just took for granted he found new and exciting – and he constantly interpreted it through his wife’s eyes, telling me how she would react. In fact, he never stopped talking about her, except when he was actually talking TO her, on the phone. I was just happy to be there with him, and barely gave a second thought to hubby and kids.
That wasn’t the first (or last) time I started wondering about the state of my marriage, but it’s probably the most dramatic illustration. Another example. Last year, when I was in Brussels, I was chatting to another woman who was telling me about her husband, how he was still her ‘best friend’ after years of marriage, how she might be attracted to other men and flirt, but she would never be tempted to be unfaithful because she knew what she had to go back to was more important than anything.
Now, that to me sounds like love. Is it really that unusual for people to feel like that about their partners? Seems to me that there are two kinds of ties which keep relationships together, some of which are strong, and some are weak. Strong ties are that knowledge that your partner is so important that nothing would be worth giving them up for; even if you might have affairs, you would still always go back to them. I don’t only mean being ‘in love’, or sexual passion, or romantic fluff, but an enduring sense of confidence in the strength of the relationship. Maybe that feeling is very rare, so most people rely on the weak ties, the sense of obligation, the shared history, responsibility to the children, the sheer complexity and difficulty of untangling lives which have grown into each other. Not to mention fear of being alone.
Maybe the strong feeling changes according to circumstance (it’s so long since I felt it, I couldn’t really say), so there are times when you just have to buckle down and go along with the weak ties in the hope that the strong tie-feeling will come back one day.
So is that what love is about? Just sticking at it, even though the communication is lousy and the sex is not great and the shared activities are limited to going to the garden centre every now and again?
I suppose you could call it love.
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wow! this is an excellent blog! but obvioulsy not much fun for you. But I appreciate being able to read your tales
nice one
| jojo52 [Member] 2006-01-25 @ 11:54 |
Love and marriage go together like a horse and carriage - no they don't!
The problem with marriage is we enter it with the idealised view that one relationship should satisfy all our emotional/spiritual needs and when we discover this isn't true we talk of falling out of love, of the relationship not working. We are fed on films that take us through romance to the point of marriage and then there is happy ever after, implied at least. Doesn't show that happy couple twenty years down the line.......
2006-02-04 @ 08:26
No! the films don't show this which is why it is good idea not to take the sentiments portrayed seriously!
It is a misconception, at least in my view, that one person can be everything that a partner needs. We grow..and I believe a balance needs to be struck between commitments and personal fulfilment.
Recognition and acceptance of this is the tricky bit!
| husbandorcat [Member] 2006-01-25 @ 12:13 |
Funnily enough the horse and carriage became obsolete about a century ago...
| LadyLucy [Member] 2006-01-25 @ 13:56 |
No, that is obligation, and fear that he will buy the wrong plant at the garden center.By your definition of love you should not stop in a relationship which does not provide the most basic of your requirements, find someone else with whom you do communicate and with whom you want to spend time.
At a conference I attended last year I met an amazing couple, they had obviously grown old together and had reached the point of finishing each other's sentences. They dresssd alike, they wore their hair in a similar style - DeeDee is divorced, Hestor is a widow and they have been friends for 30 years, now they share a house.
| husbandorcat [Member] 2006-01-25 @ 15:46 |
As usual, having constructed an irrefutable case for why I don't love him, and argued myself into a corner, I will now... back down completely and compromise my principles yet again.
just can't quite get myself to step over the edge into that abyss.
| suzeemoon [Member] http://suzeemoon.friendpages.com/ 2006-01-25 @ 17:57 |
Bottom line is that it is your life and you're the one who faces the consequences. As ever I wish you luck and happiness wherever it lies....
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