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'What makes women happy?'

by husbandorcat @ 10 Sep. 2006 - 13:13:27

Sunday, September 10, 2006

‘What makes women happy?’
Headline on the front of the Sunday Times magazine.
Search me, mate, if you ever find out let me know, I’ve been wondering that myself.
Finding baby fish in my pond last week made me happy (fleetingly). I bet they didn’t put that in the article.
Thing is, little happinesses like that (there’s a French expression for them that someone told me once, but it escapes me) are all very well in the general run of things, but they’re no defence against the Big Miseries.
And anyway, how can you possibly generalise? You can no more generalise about what makes ‘women’ happy than about what makes ‘people’ happy. We are all different, after all, what makes you happy won’t necessarily work for me (and you probably don’t even have or want a pond, never mind baby fish).
Then I read the article – 7 articles, in fact. And most of them were crap.
But Ariel Leve hit the nail right on the head:

‘…more than anything else, women want to be heard and understood. What makes women happy isn’t when a man pays for dinner, it’s when a man pays attention. Attention is the invisible currency. It is the only thing that can buy a woman’s happiness and devotion.
Ask a successful lothario: what is the skill that matters the most? Most likely he’ll say it’s the power to make a woman feel special. A woman feels desired when she feels she is being listened to. Is that too much to ask? Often it is. And if you have to ask, it’s too late. Whenever people talk about the reformed lothario Warren Beatty, they mention that he has the ability to make the woman he’s talking to feel as if she is the only one in the room. There is indeed something to be said about that when it happens. I’ve experienced it a few times, and it’s intoxicating.
Attention, for it to count, has to be genuine. Because, if they can, men will fake attention the way women fake orgasms: to get it over with. The difference is, we can tell.’

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,176-2337690_3,00.html

Susan Greenfield didn’t have any answers, but she had been reading my mind:
‘Wouldn’t life be simple if footwear was the panacea, a generic prize that instantly ensured that warm glow inside? But to try to generalise a formula is as crazy for women in particular as it is for humans in general. The question to ask is not what makes us happy, but what are the different means by which we women get there?’


 
 

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husbandorcathusbandorcat [Member]
2006-09-10 @ 13:16

PS No matter what I do, I can never seem to get the hyperlinks to the Times website to work. But you can get to the article by cutting and pasting the address.
sorry about that.

adamantixxadamantixx [Member]
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2006-09-10 @ 13:24

they say that the most precious thing you can give anyone is your time, so i agree with that extract. everyone wants to feel special don't they? and loved too? and many other things, perhaps the secret of finding contentment is not to want too much out of life?

husbandorcathusbandorcat [Member]
2006-09-10 @ 16:01

You're so right. It's not about what 'women' want particularly - suely it's what we all want? Are there any men out there who would claim that they wouldn't love that sort of attention?

adamantixxadamantixx [Member]
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2006-09-10 @ 16:25

men and women basically want the same things when it comes to the important stuff, we all want someone's attention right from the minute we're born!

husbandorcathusbandorcat [Member]
2006-09-11 @ 19:07

Ultimately quite a depressing idea, as it means that our happiness is not in our own hands, but dependent on other people...

adamantixxadamantixx [Member]
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2006-09-11 @ 20:15

we can make ourselves happy by making it our personal business to make someone else happy! :)

husbandorcathusbandorcat [Member]
2006-09-13 @ 09:03

Great theory but… there is no guarantee of reciprocity.
Many people (not necessarily, though stereotypically, women) spend years trying to make other people happy, and end up lonely and embittered :(

adamantixxadamantixx [Member]
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2006-09-13 @ 19:53

we're not getting any closer to a solution here are we? could we put others first but still take care of #1 too? or is that an impossibility?

husbandorcathusbandorcat [Member]
2006-09-14 @ 05:15

I think the sad fact is that there’s no such thing as an easy ‘solution’. Certainly, it’s POSSIBLE to ‘put others first and still take care of number 1’. Anything’s possible. But that doesn’t mean it will always happen, or work, in any particular individual case. The world in general, and human beings in particular, are far more complex than that.
To have that kind of attention and concern from another person, and be capable of giving it in return, is undoubtedly the ‘secret of happiness’, and those people who have it are extremely fortunate. But it does depend ultimately on the right circumstances and a whole lot of luck – finding the ‘right’ person, not being too damaged by previous relationships, being in a position to understand and respond to their needs etc etc etc. We all know of cases where this just hasn’t worked out for the parties involved.
We may have the desire to try to make someone else happy, but how can we be sure of what that means? How can we know what will make someone else happy, when many of us don’t even know what would make ourselves happy?
Sorry, I’m probably taking all this way too seriously.

SiennaSienna [Member]
2006-09-12 @ 14:57

I did like that article though, and that confused man who can't do aything right made me laugh.. :)

husbandorcathusbandorcat [Member]
2006-09-13 @ 09:03

Don't they always? ;)

suzeemoonsuzeemoon [Member]
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2006-09-21 @ 18:23

My man does make me happy and he does give me proper attention - As I do him. But I honestly believe we have to have some inner satisfaction otherwise that attention becomes less healthy. I've no idea what the secret is but on the whole I am a happy person.
It's very glib, but the 'I'm OK, You're OK' concept of assertiveness and various theories and philosophies does make sense to me.

husbandorcathusbandorcat [Member]
2006-09-22 @ 05:02

I think my problem is the conflict between what makes sense and what actually happens in practice, the way things 'should' work (which I can usually understand and see the sense of) and the way my emotions actually manifest themselves in the real world. Which is why I've come to the realisation that the problem lies deep within me, rather than with any external circumstances (including other people) - this has taken my decades to understand.
I know that nothing would make my husband happier than being able to make me happy, if either he or I had a clue how that could be achieved. I also remember thinking with respect to my parents, when they died, 'All they ever wanted for me was for me to be happy, and I couldn't even do that for them'. I have no control over those deep emotional responses. Trying to put someone else's happiness first may be a necessary but not a sufficient condition for one's own happiness.
Glad that you have something in your life that works for you, though.

voxpopulivoxpopuli [Member]
2006-09-23 @ 06:43

"What makes woman happy?"
Very easy. God was asking the same question last night to somebody.

husbandorcathusbandorcat [Member]
2006-09-23 @ 06:50

..and the answer is?????

voxpopulivoxpopuli [Member]
2006-09-23 @ 07:46

We cant say 'only God knows' here, as he doesn't have a clue. Its secret.

husbandorcathusbandorcat [Member]
2006-09-23 @ 11:59

Hmmm.
Does he know what makes men happy?
Please don't say it's just what we all suspected all along...

voxpopulivoxpopuli [Member]
2006-09-24 @ 07:32

Its no secret. Its simple. Just for decency reasons I can't reveal it. But there is no need to tell anyone and especially woman, what makes man happy.

husbandorcathusbandorcat [Member]
2006-09-25 @ 05:47

Sounds like I was on the right lines then.
Shame.
I know it's fashionable to knock men, but I'd like to think that at least some of them are a BIT more complex and interesting than that.

voxpopulivoxpopuli [Member]
2006-09-25 @ 09:31

Even if they pretend and have some complexity, a key can open up them easily. They are vulnerable.
There is nothing to shame.
It is good that they are like that. It would have been horrible that both men and women were complex and interesting. Complexity and interestingness of women is enough.
Women by the way are always on right lines.

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