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by husbandorcat @ 12 Apr. 2007 - 06:02:47

I do envy Suzee. I know her circumstances aren’t perfect, but to be able to achieve the sort of integrated long term happiness she talks about seems to me to be wonderfully fortunate. My options seem to be either a dull, mustn’t-grumble resignation or fluctuation between mildly manic highs and mildly depressive lows, occasionally subsiding into seriously depressive lows. I say ‘options’, but that implies that I have some choice in the matter, which, if that is the case, I have no idea how to exercise it.
When I was bubbling over about being flirtatious last week, I guess I knew at the back of my mind that it was all too good to last. When we had a meeting on Tuesday, I felt awkward to start with, and things just went from bad to worse. Probably I had just built something up in my head that didn’t really exist outside of my imagination, I don’t know. But I got more and more despondent as the evening wore on. I could feel myself sliding into a fit of sullenness (is there such a word? I can’t think of a more appropriate one). The other people around me must have wondered what the hell was going on – or probably they didn’t, because why would they take any notice of my feelings?
I felt my ideas were being sidelined, which I find very frustrating when I’m talking about something I actually know a lot about – does that sound arrogant? I suppose it does, but it’s the Cassandra syndrome. I really hate confrontation, and most of the time I will keep quiet, unless there is something where I am absolutely sure of my ground, and then when I can’t convince people I get so frustrated because I think, well, should I just give up and let them have it their own way, knowing that it’s wrong and will probably cause problems down the line? Or do I try to think of other ways to convince them and probably end up becoming incoherent and getting angry with myself and convincing nobody? Then, when I’m proved right further down the line, I worry that I should have said something more forceful to have convinced them at the time and stop them making the wrong decision in the first place.
Anyway, that’s all by the by, really. What happened was that I continued to get more frustrated and feel more pissed off, and I couldn’t think how to make things better. And afterwards I reflected over other situations and wondered, how can it be that sometimes I can find the way to be so charming and even sexy, and have people around me (men and women) loving me and hanging on my every word, and how wonderful and powerful that feels, and then at other times I can completely lose touch with that and feel isolated and lost and frustrated (sorry, I’ve got to use that word again because I can’t think of a substitute) and like a sulky child? Which becomes self-reinforcing because I know I’m doing it and get angry with myself, but don’t know how to stop.
That has just reminded me of something – and probably it is just me going all pop-psychology again – but I thought about when I was a child, and how whenever I was upset about something and tearful, my father’s reaction was to get angry and tell me off, which of course upset me even more, and made him even more angry. His attitude was that crying was a deliberate act, something I had control over and, I suppose, that I was doing to defy him, when to me it was an uncontrollable expression of sadness and shame. I remember even as a child thinking how bizarre it was that he should think the way to stop me doing it was to make me feel even sadder and more ashamed.


 
 

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suzeemoonsuzeemoon [Member]
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2007-04-17 @ 23:39

Don't want to add to the psychobabble, but intrigued by the father thing re crying. I'm not a crier by nature and I've felt quite scathing towards criers in my time because I've not 'allowed' myself the 'weakness', but know I am/was also jealous, disapproving and resentful of criers because I had idea I had to be 'grown-up' and was quite good at being adult. And crying made me uncomfortable because I worried and felt responsibility for the crier. Does that make sense?
I think these things are so complicated.

husbandorcathusbandorcat [Member]
2007-04-18 @ 08:40

At risk of getting even more ‘pop-psych’, are you an eldest, youngest, middle or only child? (I’m the baby of 3).
One of my less successful counsellors had a go at me about my ‘silent crying’ (ie when the tears are rolling but I’m holding in the sobs in the hope that no one will notice), saying that it was like constipation and I should scream and shout and let it all out. But as I didn’t naturally feel like screaming and shouting (just running away and hiding), I couldn’t see the point of trying when it would all be fake. Screaming when I don’t feel like it seems to me as impossible as laughing when I don’t feel like it.
The fact is, my feelings, whatever they are, are always all over my face, my body language, my attitude. And yes, when they’re good feelings, as when I’m in flirtatious mood and getting the feedback, it feels wonderful and powerful and I can do anything. And when they’re bad feelings, like fear or humiliation, I can’t do anything. But the ‘attitude’ comes from the feelings, and how on earth do you break into that circle and make it a virtuous and not a vicious one?

suzeemoonsuzeemoon [Member]
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2007-04-19 @ 19:28

:)) Middle child of three but pseudo-eldest in many ways. :))
Are you familiar with TA? I thought I was Adult but I was Adapted Child. :-/
I am also a competitive ex-counsellor :>> so won't comment on you, other than hoping you get something useful from your searching.

husbandorcathusbandorcat [Member]
2007-04-22 @ 07:07

It's a while since I've read about TA, but we did touch on it in my sessions a little while back.
I would say I am definitely adapted child, but the free child keeps trying to break through!
Interesting discussion on thursday about the 'flirtatious' side of my personality (ie Melinda) - to me there seem to be two options, keep her under control or end my marriage, and given that the latter is too seismic to contemptlate(as I discovered last year), I am left with the former, though that means cutting off the part of me that feels most alive. If she has no outlet, I'm frustrated, if she has an outlet, I'm dissatisfied with the rest of life. No wonder I'm a mess.

suzeemoonsuzeemoon [Member]
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2007-04-23 @ 21:25

Sounds quite a struggle...

husbandorcathusbandorcat [Member]
2007-04-24 @ 08:03

... as you may have noticed.
Come on, I'm relying on you to cheer me up! :(

suzeemoonsuzeemoon [Member]
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2007-04-27 @ 23:53

Eeek!!! What a responsibility! :-/

husbandorcathusbandorcat [Member]
2007-04-28 @ 06:07

No pressure, or anything ;)

suzeemoonsuzeemoon [Member]
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2007-05-01 @ 14:21

Well I was going to simply leave a laughing icon but having read that article... Sod it!
:))

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